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	<title>Comments on: Supplementary Training and 4.0 &#8220;Wall&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Zsolt</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 17:02:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Frank,

About meditation sounds: I studied the Silva Mind Control course in Hungary where we mostly used the &quot;alpha&quot; brainwave sound. I felt that it helped me relax a lot more, although some people did not like it. If I had the alpha sound without recorded verbal guiding, I would definitely use that before the exercises or during the break.

Also, I had some experiment in the past that classic music, especially Mozart enhances math performance a bit. I have not experimented with that until the first 19 sessions, but it could be interesting if it helps or interferes with the sounds I have to listen to.

Zsolt</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Frank,</p>
<p>About meditation sounds: I studied the Silva Mind Control course in Hungary where we mostly used the &#8220;alpha&#8221; brainwave sound. I felt that it helped me relax a lot more, although some people did not like it. If I had the alpha sound without recorded verbal guiding, I would definitely use that before the exercises or during the break.</p>
<p>Also, I had some experiment in the past that classic music, especially Mozart enhances math performance a bit. I have not experimented with that until the first 19 sessions, but it could be interesting if it helps or interferes with the sounds I have to listen to.</p>
<p>Zsolt</p>
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		<title>By: martin</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 11:31:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello, Frank.

Excellent questions that I&#039;m sure will be of general interest.

I&#039;ve performed various experiments with meditation and background neuroprogramming noises. I have found free meditation and guided meditation to be the most helpful. Neuroprogramming didn&#039;t seem to have much impact for me as far as Brain Fitness Pro was concerned. But I did find it somewhat rewarding outside the training - just a perception rather than something I measured.

Guided meditation has the benefit that it can help focus the mind when other distractions may creep in. When I&#039;m particularly prone to distraction because I have a lot going on, I like the guided approach.

I would surmise that n=4 is not a hurdle in and of itself, but is just the level you&#039;re working to break through right now. Past a certain point each new n-level creates this kind of hurdle. And the period of fairly rapid improvement comes at a different level for different people. (Usually happens after 40 to 50 sessions.)

So, from this point forward you will keep improving, but more slowly than before. If you keep training you&#039;ll look back in a few months and realize that you&#039;re now hitting up against a hurdle at n=5 or n=6.

(BUT, meditation, in my experience, can take you up a whole n-level after you first introduce it.)

Martin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello, Frank.</p>
<p>Excellent questions that I&#8217;m sure will be of general interest.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve performed various experiments with meditation and background neuroprogramming noises. I have found free meditation and guided meditation to be the most helpful. Neuroprogramming didn&#8217;t seem to have much impact for me as far as Brain Fitness Pro was concerned. But I did find it somewhat rewarding outside the training &#8211; just a perception rather than something I measured.</p>
<p>Guided meditation has the benefit that it can help focus the mind when other distractions may creep in. When I&#8217;m particularly prone to distraction because I have a lot going on, I like the guided approach.</p>
<p>I would surmise that n=4 is not a hurdle in and of itself, but is just the level you&#8217;re working to break through right now. Past a certain point each new n-level creates this kind of hurdle. And the period of fairly rapid improvement comes at a different level for different people. (Usually happens after 40 to 50 sessions.)</p>
<p>So, from this point forward you will keep improving, but more slowly than before. If you keep training you&#8217;ll look back in a few months and realize that you&#8217;re now hitting up against a hurdle at n=5 or n=6.</p>
<p>(BUT, meditation, in my experience, can take you up a whole n-level after you first introduce it.)</p>
<p>Martin</p>
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