Hello braintrainers,
I’ve been away from the blog for some time, mainly because Ive shifted into maintenance mode. After 200+ sessions of BFP dual n back, I dont feel the need to track my progress on n back — I only do bf pro a few times a week now.
However, about a week ago, thanks to Martin reminding me about the Get y test, I decided to re-take it. Back in August, I took the test but there were some problems both with the amount of time I took on it (less than an hour) and the results I received which may or may not have been valid according to a problem with the scoring. For this
reason, I do not consider the first result as any baseline to compare my second attempt to: since it is either invalid or not reflective of my best efforts (or both).
My second attempt (a second attempt is allowed) yielded a balanced score of 12, or IQ 143, according to age range, so 99.78%ile. I read Martin, Dave, and Shauns scores as well. Well done!
This result reflects my best effort and I spent close to about 4 hours total on it and took it as a “power test” rather than just a speed test, which is what this sort of high range test requires absolutely. Could I have scored higher with 10 hours on it? Maybe, but I feel Im operating near or at my genetic potential (in a similar way one might realize their physical genetic potential after working out at a gym for a year).
I expressed to Martin my reservations about the Get-y as a measurement of IQ since it is taking only a self selected
group of people with above average IQs
who attempt the test and ergo the full range of ability isnt considered.
What this means is G loadings for the test will be go down, and the S factor will go up. The S factor here is the visual spatial factor and its measured maybe even more than G is. Those reservations aside, the test strikes me as one that is highly G loaded, in addition measuring a specific factor. If one is interested in this issue of high range testing have a look here (scroll down to get to the meat of the issue):
http://www.megasociety.com/noesis/141/towers.html
To the point: did my IQ (level of G) improve by grinding out dual n back for about year? It seems so. But I have also been doing a other things to improve my visual spatial abilities (the S factor) so this confounds the issue. Also, I have never taken a pure visual spatial power test at the very high level of Get-Y, so comparison to some average online IQ test with mixed items is apples to oranges. (The great majority of online tests are not worth paying attention to at all).
I think the get y gives an estimate of ones visual reasoning abilities that are the best one can find online…but again I would like to see correlatons with tests like the RAPM. The test was a challenge regardless, and I do feel confident that working memory increase accounts for a significant portion of the ostensible gains I have made…
Brain Fitness Pro working-memory training report.
This post was submitted by Will.
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Hi Will,
It’s nice to have you back! You wrote the following:
While I took the Raven’s Advanced Progressive Matrices about one week ago, drawing comparisons with the GET-Y is tough. Here are my results. Unfortunately, the results of the RAPM are normed again Managers, Directors, and thus don’t translate easily into a standardized IQ score. Therein lies the challenge with comparing the RAPM to the GET-Y. There is an opportunity though!
I have my raw score for the RAPM and my raw score for the GET-Y. With some research on your part, Will, you might be able to determine a way to compare the two results. That is my challenge to you
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Warm regards,
Shaun
Shuan, yeah that’s a tricky one. 36 questions on the APM, from what I know. I imagine that managers and directors are likely above 1 standard deviation above the mean (the average of college graduates), probably they would be around 120-225 or so (at a 50%ile). The ceiling isn’t very high with the RAPM compared to high range tests and you could argue that you’re short changed. If I had to guess, I would guess your score falls in the mid 130′s somewhere…though one should not have to make this sort of guess on one’s own score.
“120-225″
Supposed to be 125…but even that’s quite an high average. Maybe 120.
Thanks Will
.